Thu, 13 Mar 2008
Revision numbers vs. revision ids
One thing that Bazaar does a little different to the other distributed systems is to give every revision a revision number. Some people don't like this as the revision numbers are global, that means that the revision number of a revision in my branch does not necessarily match the number that it was given in your branch. Some people say that this makes bzr somehow "less distributed." This is not the case at all, you just need to be careful to be clear what branch you are referring to, i.e. say "revision 315 on branch http://...", rather than just "revision 315".
This is a little dangerous in that the branch may have it's revision history changed, for instance by uncommitting and then committing again. If that may happen then you should use revision ids, which you can find from "bzr log --show-ids".
Why do number the revisions at all then? One reason is simply that some people find revision ids ugly, and may be scared off by them.
Another reason is that they are shorter to type. git folks will tell you can use the first few characters of the revision id, and git will work out what revision you mean. However these shortened ids are not necessarily stable over a long period of time, and so again, if you are worried you should use the whole thing.
The third reason is that the numbers can give some sense of the order of the revisions in your branch. If I say talk about revisions "3445abe" and "b27ac9" then you don't know which is earlier in history. If I refer to revisions 345 and 532 then it is immediately obvious (providing that I am only referring to a single branch).
The advantages I have outlined are small, but they could be valuable at times, and you always have the revision ids to fall back on if you require them.
Numbering merged revisions
Along with numbering the mainline bzr also numbers merged revisions using a dotted numbering scheme. This means that your mainline revisions are "1", "2", "3", as you would expect, but any merged revisions are given three digit numbers, e.g. "2.1.3".
The numbering scheme has a couple of nice properties, the most notable of which is that it is "stable", this means that once I have numbered a merged revision with respect to a certain mainline it cannot be effected by any addition I make to the revision history. This means that any commits, pulls or merges that I do will not change any of the existing revision numbers, but they will add numbers to any new merged revisions such that they will not be the same as any number already used.
The current algorithm used for this involves looking at the whole history of the branch to number the revisions, which is obviously undesirable.
On the last evening of the sprint last week myself and John were discussing the numbering scheme, and thinking about possible algorithms to do the numbering that would be more efficient.
We had the following inputs:
- The revsision id you are trying to give a dotted number for.
- The tip of the mainline that you are numbering against.
- The revision number of that mainline revision.
- A map of revision_id -> parents.
And you are asked to provide the revision number for the specified revision. Any other numbering that you may be able to do along the way would be a bonus.
The fact that all we are given to get the information we need is a map telling us the parents of a revision id means that we cannot ask the question "what are all the children of this revision?"
I don't really want to explain the numbering scheme here, as it is a little long-winded to do so. The outline is that for the first digit you find the intersection of the target revision's left hand ancestry with the mainline, and use its revision number. For the second digit you find all of the branches that originated at the revision found in the first part, and then number them by the order that they merged back in to mainline. The third digit is then just the place of the revision in its own part of one of these branches.
Notice the second step there. Remember that we are not able to retrieve the children of any revision? That means that we must work backwards from our mainline to do this. This is where the real complexity comes in, and it appears as though it is necessary to search a reasonable amount of history to calculate this part.
After the discussion with John I had a reasonable idea of how such an algorithm would work, and yesterday I posted a first draft of that to the mailing list. We have found some problems with it, and haven't benchmarked it yet to see if it is actually an improvement, but hopefully it will evolve and prove to be faster.
Displaying logs, and history emphasis
The revision numbering code has a very close relationship, and also interacts with it in an awkward way from a performance standpoint. This lead to John explaining to me how the logs are generated in more depth.
When bzr produces logs by default it emphasises the left hand parent to produce your mainline. It then indents any revisions that you merged:
> ----------------------------------------------------------- > revno: 3270 > committer: Canonical.com Patch Queue Manager <firstname.lastname@example.org> > branch nick: +trunk > timestamp: Thu 2008-03-13 00:40:30 +0000 > message: > (Adeodato Simo) Add a space after "revision-id:" in log output. > ----------------------------------------------------------- > revno: 3257.2.1 > committer: Adeodato Simó <email@example.com> > branch nick: foo > timestamp: Sun 2008-03-09 23:06:47 +0100 > message: > Add a space after "revision-id:" in log output. > ----------------------------------------------------------- > revno: 3269 > committer: Canonical.com Patch Queue Manager <firstname.lastname@example.org> > branch nick: +trunk > timestamp: Wed 2008-03-12 23:08:34 +0000 > message: > (Daniel Watkins) Add a --revision option to 'bzr push' > ----------------------------------------------------------- > revno: 3256.1.5 > committer: Daniel Watkins <D.M.Watkins@warwick.ac.uk> > branch nick: push-r > timestamp: Sun 2008-03-09 18:41:31 +0000 > message: > Added NEWS entry.
To do this it must decide which revisions are present in the history of one revision, but not in the history of its left hand parent. To do this it starts off two history walkers in parallel, one walking the history of the first revision, the second walking the history of the parent. The first walker then stops walking down a particular line of history when the second "claims" it, once the first walker has no more lines of history to walk it returns its group of revisions, and the log formatter code then displays them indented as necessary to match the history.
This is a much more complex process than that you get with "git log", in which the revisions are produced in just date order. There is a "--topo-order" option to git log, but that just ensures that all parents are output before their children. It doesn't ensure that all parents not in the ancestry of the left-hand parent are shown before the left-hand parent. The work to ensure that is significantly more than that done to provide "--topo-order".
This display makes it easy to see what work was done on a branch, and when those changes entered your branch. This is one reason why bzr's merge doesn't fast-forward by default ("bzr merge --pull" will do this for you if you like). This means that you can always instantly identify which work came from another branch and have them tied together.
Always having merge commits means that "bzr log --short" and "bzr log --line" can give you a good summary of what happened on your branch, the commits you did, and the things that you merged. It preserves a mainline for you in the left hand ancestry, which means that you can always see what happened in that particular branch. "bzr pull" then gives you a mirror of another branch, and the left hand ancestry tells you what happened in that branch.
The indentation of the merged commits (and the fact they disappear with "--short" and "--line") means that mentally they become of lesser importance. You see "merged performance work from Emma's branch", rather than all of the commits that you got from her. They are still there to look at if you want, but they can be ignored at most times.
This means that you don't have to spend time rewriting history to be clean if you don't want to. You don't have the history right in your face either way, though there can still be value in having a clean history. However rewriting history is not what some people want to do, and causes problems for those who base their work on yours.
Wed, 12 Mar 2008
So apparently "learning git is like learning vim". Putting aside the incremental learning aspects of this, and stretching the point a little, will you allow me to say "git is like vim"?
We all understand there is no way in which you would mandate that all contributors use vim. You wouldn't want to lose all of those valuable contributions from emacs users of course. However, you still wouldn't dream of mandating the use of one of these two editors. Why should your choice as project maintainer constrain the way in which others want to work?
Obviously it is quite difficult to enforce this editor rule. For a start there is nothing in a plain text file that tells you what editor was used to create it. More importantly though, the contributor's choice of editor doesn't matter to you. If they send you a plain text file then your editor will handle it just as well as theirs.
This is where version control differs from editors. When using the version control system to move code around it tends to dictate the client you use to access it, so one person's decision tends to impact on others.
Is the solution therefore to work towards a situation we have that is similar to that we have with text editors, where the interchange format is understood equally well by all of the tools? Do we spend time developing wrappers for each use that allow us to ignore the fact that we are using different systems?
Recently there has been work done to make bzr support the git-fast-import format. This would then be the start of an interchange format that all tools could use to communicate. However, the problem is that the representations used in one system start to bleed. For instance, bzr supports ghosts, and we are currently discussing the adding support to the format to represent them. However git doesn't support them, and as such there will be know way to complete a round trip of bzr->git->bzr when there are ghosts involved.
So, what about the other solution? Creating wrappers that allow the user to not care what VCS they are using and just get the job done? I think this is useful to a point. It will be great for some people who just want to do really simple things on lots of projects (for instance in Debian). However the tools are necessarily catering to the lowest common denominator, they won't support any of the unique things that make each system great.
Bazaar has foreign branch support (most notably bzr-svn) which allow you to access another system as if if were bzr. This is almost completely transparent ("bzr branch svn://" makes it clear what the project is hosted in), in contrast to git-svn. The latter adds a new command that allows you to do the svn specific parts (setting up the repository, committing back to svn). In contrast bzr-svn uses the normal bzr commands for (almost) everything, meaning you only need to learn the one tool. git-svn is still a great tool, but it certainly makes you realise that you are not dealing with pure git.
The competition between the systems has been great for every one of them. However, it seems like we will be stuck with different systems for the forseeable future, so we should work hard on making them work well together to ease the pain on the users. I think that many of the supporters of distributed version control would say that it is better for you to be using any of them than none of them, but the fractured and unstable landscape we have now is causing a resistance in people to make the switch.
|||It currently adds svn-push for doing a push that creates a new branch in svn, but this is only a temporary thing, "bzr push" will be able to do this at some point. The other commands that are added are for extra things that the core bzr is not meant to deal with.|